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UPDATE: Billboard:
Corgan says he has been feuding for years with Virgin over the handling of the Pumpkins’ back catalog, but that the Pepsi/Amazon.com promotion “crosses the Rubicon. You’re going to see more of this playing fast and loose with the rules, hoping they don’t get caught. At face value, it’s not a huge deal. But in terms of precedent, it is, because there will be much more of this coming.”
AP:
The Smashing Pumpkins are suing Virgin Records, saying the record label has illegally used their name and music in promotional deals that hurt the band’s credibility with fans.
In a breach-of-contract lawsuit filed in Los Angeles Superior Court Monday, the rockers said they have “worked hard for over two decades to accumulate a considerable amount of goodwill in the eyes of the public,” and that Virgin’s use of the band in a “Pepsi Stuff” promotion with Amazon.com and Pepsi Co. threatens their reputation for “artistic integrity.”
Virgin put out the Smashing Pumpkins’ music for more than 17 years, but the only active agreement between the two parties, the lawsuit claimed, is a deal granting Virgin permission to sell digital downloads of the band’s songs. The agreement does not give Virgin the right to use the band in promotional campaigns to sell outside products, the lawsuit said.
The band members said they would “never grant such authority to Virgin, or any other entity.”
UPDATE: Press Release:
The Pumpkins are demanding, as the suit states, “a full and complete accounting of all funds received by Virgin pursuant to the Pepsi promotion” and the band is “entitled to an award of punitive damages against Virgin in an amount according to proof.”
The suit maintains that “Virgin’s action, unless and until enjoined and restrained by order of this Court, will cause great and irreparable injury to Plaintiff, as it continues to falsely attribute Plaintiff’s sponsorship and/or affiliation with the promotion, and continues to provide Plaintiff’s musical works at a price below the market value of the works, thereby damaging Plaintiff’s reputation and reducing the market value of Plaintiff’s musical works.”
Says Billy Corgan: ”‘It’s a frustrating situation honestly, to be treated so poorly by a label where we had so much success. Recently, they have ignored our pleas to give our fans special editions of our old albums, telling us they weren’t interested. So there is a tremendous amount of hypocrisy involved with them turning around and using us like this.”
“It’s another desperate attempt,” says Jimmy Chamberlin, “by an anachronistic business to generate revenue however they can, legal or illegal. They have neither the wisdom to accept their irrelevance, nor the intelligence to do something about it.” He adds: “Just goes to show that they will do about anything for money. Seems they have long forgotten how to actually ‘work’ for a dollar.”
EARLIER: Label-less Smashing Pumpkins headed back to studio: ‘I don’t think we will make records again’
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Seven different versions of record, yes. Pepsi promo, no. Though to their credit, the former usually is the label's decision and not the band's.
They've lost it... long ago. They've turned their backs on Chicago, they AREN'T The Smashing Pumpkins. I embraced Zwan, and even TheFutureEmbrace... but why would a band commit career suicide when they reform? Zeitgeist will go down in history as one of my most hated things in music... it's terrible.
A wee bit too dramatic to take you seriously there Adam.
Hard to say they turned their backs on Chicago when they're moving back there to work(read the linked article).
I can think of things much more hated than Zeitgeist. It was mediocre, not really horrible in any provocative way.
Billy should sue himself for ruining the band's "artistic integrity" with that mess of a record called Zeitgeist.
Yeah, the "artistic integrity" line is kind of preachy. Would have been better if they just said that Virgin overstepped their bounds.
Saw them live in Europe recently, great show. New material actually sounded pretty good live (wasn't a fan of it before). I'm in the "James and D'arcy were essentially touring members" camp so it's hard to say that this band has changed too much.
Billy Corgan is desperate and high again. What a crackpot.
You're the only one who ruined any integrity that was left.
I think this is more of an issue about controlling their music as opposed to "artistic integrity." In that regard, they're well within their right to sue.
To their credit and for better or worse, they have fought to control their music, image and how they are used. Fucked up and Xiu Xiu did the same thing with Camel and Rolling Stone, nice to see another group is going to bat like this.
I've been reading about this case around the web. Not a total fan of the Pumpkins, but it is a bit fucked that people seem to be attacking the band as opposed to the record company who overstepped their bounds.
not sure how the record company overstepped their bounds here.
they have permission to sell digital downloads.
you need to promote the downloads in order to sell them.
there are rights here.
the pumpkins aint winning this one.
i smell settling.
thelink, not sure about that. In the article Corgan said that they have veto power in terms of how the band's music is used in promotions. This is a venture where digital downloads are sold, but it's a promotion. If there is stipulations in the contract that give the band that veto power when it comes to promotions and use, then Virgin did violate the terms of contract. Given that, as Corgan mentioned in the article, they have vetoed several times in the past then it seems to be the case that they do have that power. When you mentioned that you need to "promote" downloads to sell them, I don't think the contract signed back in the early 90s included promotions like this. Linking up with an outside promoter (i.e. Pepsi) was not standard practice back then.
On a side note, I think the "goodwill with fans" point in the lawsuit is all about the rep they now have for promising to release archived stuff and it never coming out.